Kanabay Court Reporters; Serving West Central Florida Pinellas (727)821-3320 Hillsborough (813)224-9500 Tampa Airport Marriott Deposition Suite (813)224-9500 1892 1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA 2 CASE NO. 00-5682-CI-11 3 4 5 DELL LIEBREICH, as Personal 6 Representative of the ESTATE OF LISA McPHERSON, 7 8 Plaintiff, 9 vs. VOLUME 15 10 CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SERVICE ORGANIZATION, JANIS 11 JOHNSON, ALAIN KARTUZINSKI and DAVID HOUGHTON, D.D.S., 12 Defendants. 13 _______________________________________/ 14 15 16 PROCEEDINGS: Defendants' Omnibus Motion for Terminating Sanctions and Other Relief. 17 CONTENTS: Testimony of Robert Minton. 18 DATE: May 30, 2002. Afternoon Session. 19 PLACE: Courtroom B, Judicial Building 20 St. Petersburg, Florida. 21 BEFORE: Honorable Susan F. Schaeffer, Circuit Judge. 22 REPORTED BY: Lynne J. Ide, RMR. 23 Deputy Official Court Reporter, Sixth Judicial Circuit of Florida. 24 25
1893 1 APPEARANCES: 2 MR. KENNAN G. DANDAR 3 MR. THOMAS DANDAR DANDAR & DANDAR 4 5340 West Kennedy Blvd., Suite 201 Tampa, FL 33602 5 Attorney for Plaintiff. 6 MR. KENDRICK MOXON 7 MOXON & KOBRIN 1100 Cleveland Street, Suite 900 8 Clearwater, FL 33755 Attorney for Church of Scientology Flag Service 9 Organization. 10 MR. LEE FUGATE 11 MR. MORRIS WEINBERG, JR. ZUCKERMAN, SPAEDER 12 101 E. Kennedy Blvd, Suite 1200 Tampa, FL 33602-5147 13 Attorneys for Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization. 14 15 MR. MICHAEL LEE HERTZBERG 740 Broadway, Fifth Floor 16 New York, New York 10003 Attorney for Church of Scientology Flag Service 17 Organization. 18 MR. ERIC M. LIEBERMAN 19 RABINOWITZ, BOUDIN, STANDARD 740 Broadway at Astor Place 20 New York, NY 10003-9518 Attorney for Church of Scientology Flag Service 21 Organization. 22 MR. BRUCE HOWIE 23 5720 Central Avenue St. Petersburg, Florida. 24 Attorney for Robert Minton. 25
1894 1 THE COURT: You may be seated. 2 Okay, Mr. Dandar. You may continue. 3 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: Thank you. 4 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 5 Q Mr. Minton, when did you first feel that Mike 6 Rinder was the trigger? 7 A Well, I think I've known all along that he's the 8 one responsible for litigation. 9 Q When did you start feeling, though, that he was 10 the trigger? 11 A Mmm, you know, during the summer of 2001 and 12 thereafter. 13 Q The summer of 2001 is when Stacy told Mr. Moxon in 14 deposition about the donation of $300,000 from Clambake and 15 the $500,000 anonymous donation to LMT. Correct? 16 A I'm not sure when it was. 17 Q And -- 18 A But it was definitely in 2001. 19 Q In the summer of 2001 is when Mr. Moxon deposed 20 Bank of America and got that -- those checks and saw the 21 wire transfer and the Clambake money. Correct? 22 A I think that was in October. 23 Q Are you sure? 24 A Well, the -- yes, because the -- the Bank of 25 America material appeared first with Mr. Rosen in the
1895 1 October depo. 2 Q And the summer of -- 3 A I'm talking about my personal -- 4 Q Okay. 5 A -- personal bank records. 6 Q What about LMT bank records? 7 A I don't know when that happened. 8 Q And the summer of 2001 is when Stacy called Dell 9 Liebreich to meet with her privately to dismiss the case? 10 A Right. Late summer. August. 11 Q Why is it -- and in your deposition, October of 12 2001, you testified that when you found out that Stacy was 13 getting ready to go see Dell in Texas privately, you told 14 her not to do that. Right? 15 A Well, no. I got upset with her at the time that 16 she was talking about this. But I got upset with her 17 because she was talking about it in front of some other 18 people. 19 Q Did you tell her, "No F-ing way are you going to 20 Dallas, Texas --" 21 A I might have said that -- I might have said that 22 in front of these other people, I believe Teresa Summers and 23 Jesse Prince. 24 Q So when you said, in your October 2001 deposition, 25 that, you were or were not telling the truth?
1896 1 A I told the truth about what I said. 2 Q Okay. 3 A I discussed it in private with Ms. Brooks because 4 I told her I didn't think she should be talking about this 5 in front of anybody else. 6 Q Now, when you previously testified for Mr. Fugate 7 today that Mr. Rinder was the trigger against you, Stacy 8 Brooks and LMT, isn't it true he's also the trigger against 9 your wife and your two young daughters? 10 A Well, I would guess that the Office of Special 11 Affairs has been responsible for anything in that area 12 before. 13 Q Isn't it true, Mr. Minton, that if the Church of 14 Scientology could find the identity of your accountant, they 15 certainly can find the identity of the Swiss banks that you 16 do business with that you have refused to identify? 17 A I don't think that's true. 18 Q Have you visited the Swiss banks in the year 2001? 19 A Mmm -- 20 MR. FUGATE: Your Honor, I object to that as 21 being outside of the scope of redirect. 22 THE COURT: Sustained. 23 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 24 Q Last, Mr. Jost, the expert on money laundering, 25 visited your Swiss banks in the year 2001?
1897 1 MR. FUGATE: Same objection. 2 THE COURT: I think it is outside of the scope, 3 Counsel. 4 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: Judge, I think when he 5 talked about triggers and Mr. Rinder, I think it 6 opened it. 7 THE COURT: I agree it opened it about 8 triggers. Is that what you're still on, that? 9 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: Yes. 10 THE COURT: Okay, I'm going to allow it then. 11 A What was the question? 12 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 13 Q Did Mr. Jost, the Treasury Department ex-employee 14 on money laundering -- did he visit your Swiss banks in the 15 year 2001? 16 A He never visited anybody in -- that is related to 17 me banking-wise. 18 Q Was it a trigger to you when -- well, I already 19 asked that. Never mind. 20 Do you agree, as you sit here today, that 21 Scientology finally got you to stop funding the Lisa 22 McPherson case? 23 A It depends on whether I believe that you still 24 have any money left. 25 Q But outside of what I may have left, has the
1898 1 Church of Scientology finally succeeded in getting Robert 2 Minton to stop funding the Lisa McPherson case? 3 A I don't have any intention to fund any case. 4 Q The bad mental state that you talked about with 5 Mr. Fugate -- 6 THE COURT: So the answer to that question is 7 yes? 8 THE WITNESS: Yes, your Honor. That's right. 9 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 10 Q The bad mental state that you talked about with 11 Mr. Fugate, can you describe that for us? 12 A What bad mental state? 13 Q Well, you said I mischaracterized it as emotional 14 breakdown. You called it a bad mental state. What does 15 that mean? 16 A I don't think I called it a bad mental state. 17 MR. FUGATE: Well, Judge, I would object to 18 this as being outside of the scope of the redirect 19 because I don't recall asking any questions about 20 bad mental -- 21 THE COURT: Actually, I think he did discuss 22 it. So overruled. 23 A I don't remember using the term "bad mental 24 state." I think I used the term I did like this 25 (gesturing), which obviously is not on the record.
1899 1 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 2 Q Quote marks with your fingers? 3 A Mmm, that you described -- that you described my 4 mental breakdowns. 5 Q Mr. Minton, when you get into that state of mind 6 and then you start to cry, that I experienced twice, at 7 least twice -- 8 A Uh-huh? 9 Q -- what do you call that? 10 A I call it being upset. 11 Q Okay. Were you upset yesterday at about quarter 12 to four in the afternoon in this courtroom after you -- 13 after you left the courtroom? 14 A Mmm, yes. I -- I was. And I think I explained 15 why today. 16 Q Okay. But that was nothing in degree of -- if 17 you're going to quantify it, that is nothing compared to the 18 other bad mental states or the upsets that, for instance, 19 you had in New Hampshire in February? 20 A Mmm, well, I think it was different. Yes, it was 21 different. It was a much more -- yesterday my feeling was 22 much more deeply emotional-based, instead of being 23 hurt-based. 24 Q Isn't it true that at least one of your mental 25 health doctors that -- whose name was posted on the Internet
1900 1 back in the summer of 2001 before your deposition refused to 2 see you anymore? 3 MR. FUGATE: Your Honor, I object to that as 4 being outside of the scope of redirect. 5 THE COURT: Sustained. 6 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 7 Q You said to Mr. Fugate this morning that 8 everything was happening too fast. When did you start to 9 feel that everything was happening too fast in this case? 10 A It wasn't everything happening in this case. What 11 I said was that everything was happening too fast for John 12 Merrett to even keep me abreast of or to keep Stacy Brooks 13 abreast of. 14 And that Stacy had wanted to include the legal 15 things like -- that were on Mr. Fugate's time line into this 16 harassment time line, but that Merrett couldn't even keep up 17 with it. 18 For example, you know, right in my house 19 Mr. Merrett attends a hearing here in front of Judge 20 Schaeffer about -- on the phone -- about this Fifth 21 Amendment stuff. And he's in my house, you know. I'm 22 outside in the backyard. I think it was on October 3rd 23 because it was my birthday. 24 And, you know, the first time I heard from anybody 25 that Judge Schaeffer said that, "From this point forward,
1901 1 Mr. Minton better not be destroying any records, because if 2 he does, he's doing it at his own risk." And the first time 3 I heard about that was from my Florida counsel, three or 4 four months later. 5 You know, I mean, this is the -- the level of 6 communication that was going on. And he wasn't able to keep 7 track of what was going on. And I think it's obvious that 8 he wasn't, simply because he couldn't keep up with it. 9 Q When did you finally discharge Mr. Merrett? 10 A Stacy did it. And I don't know when. 11 Q Was it last year? 12 A I -- I don't remember. Mmm, it could have been 13 late last year, early this year. I'm just not sure. 14 Q Do you recall paying Mr. Merrett $100,000 in 15 January of this year? 16 A Yes. 17 Q What was that for? 18 A That was for -- he had put up certain moneys for 19 bonds and things like that. And that was to reimburse him 20 for those bonds -- I don't know whether bonds is the right 21 word -- but with some of these appeals, he had to put up 22 some money. 23 Q This case and in the breach case? 24 A Yes. And this was to reimburse him for what he 25 had put up, and also to pay some back moneys that Stacy owed
1902 1 him. 2 Q So when he got $250,000 in the year 2001, that 3 didn't cover that? 4 A Well, you'll have to ask him. I don't know. 5 That's what he told me, that -- well, that's what he told me 6 he needed to sort of be whole. 7 Q Did you pay Mr. Merrett $100,000 on a personal 8 check, or UBS check, in this year, January? 9 A Mmm, I -- I don't remember what the check was. I 10 think it was a personal check. 11 Q If you paid him with a UBS check, did you tell 12 Mr. Merrett, "This is from friends in Europe"? 13 A No. I wouldn't have told him that. 14 Q Did you ever pay Mr. Merrett any money, to him, 15 with his name on it, that you said, "This is from friends in 16 Europe"? 17 A No. 18 Q Or "People in Europe"? 19 A No. 20 Q Or "Anonymous donors in Europe"? 21 A No. 22 Q Mr. Fugate asked you a question about Mr. Moxon's 23 . She was on a Scientology compound out 24 there in Hemet in the dessert? 25 MR. FUGATE: Object to the word "compound,"
1903 1 Judge. Improper characterization -- 2 THE COURT: Sustained. 3 MR. FUGATE: -- compound. 4 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 5 Q Was it a fenced-in area? 6 A I have only seen one side of the property. 7 Q What did it look like? 8 A The side that I have seen has fence -- has a fence 9 around it. You know, it's a very large property. I have 10 never gone to any of the other sides of it, other than the 11 long part of it along the major highway that runs through 12 Hemet. 13 Q And they have armed security people on the 14 perimeter? 15 A I have never seen any armed people. I have heard 16 reports that the people in the security -- the security 17 gate, check-point, have arms, but I have never seen that, 18 myself. 19 Q And you posted on the Internet some really 20 outrageously terrible things about Mr. Moxon's daughter 21 dying, didn't you? 22 A Mmm, I'm not sure exactly what I posted about it. 23 But I did something. And it wasn't very tasteful. 24 Q Do you remember using the word "barbecue"? 25 A Yes, I do remember that.
1904 1 Q Now, have you read accounts of Mr. Moxon's 2 daughter, her body was recovered by the authorities, she 3 was -- 4 MR. MOXON: Your Honor, I'll object myself. 5 MR. FUGATE: Objection. 6 MR. LIEBERMAN: This is just -- 7 THE COURT: One person. 8 MR. FUGATE: Well, I object to this. There is 9 no reason for this, Judge. And I think it's outside 10 of the question that I asked him. 11 THE COURT: Well, you did -- you know, you 12 brought the very area up. 13 MR. FUGATE: I recognize that, Judge. 14 THE COURT: I don't know what his question is 15 going to be, to tell you the truth. 16 MR. WEINBERG: It is obviously not very 17 tasteful. 18 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: You want me to tell you 19 now? Or can I ask my question? 20 THE COURT: Well, is this necessary? 21 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: Yes. 22 THE COURT: I mean, obviously this would be, I 23 would imagine, not very pleasant for someone who 24 lost a daughter to listen to, so I hope there is a 25 real good reason --
1905 1 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: I am not the one who 2 brought it up. 3 THE COURT: I understand. I hope there is a 4 good reason for this. 5 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: I understand. 6 THE COURT: Go ahead. 7 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 8 Q Mr. Minton, are you aware of reports that she was 9 found dressed in black? 10 A This was -- I believe Keith Henson is the one who 11 made that allegation. 12 Q You didn't -- 13 A But -- 14 Q See -- 15 A No, I saw no reports to that effect. 16 Q Isn't it true that Scientologists who are on the 17 RPF as punishment are wearing clothes that are black? 18 MR. FUGATE: I object -- 19 THE COURT: We have heard that before. 20 MR. FUGATE: I object to that, your Honor. 21 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 22 Q And Mr. Minton, when you posted about this tragic 23 event, did you describe that -- question how a petite woman 24 could pick up a manhole cover and go down underground to 25 where the transmission box was?
1906 1 THE COURT: Let it go, Counselor. You know, 2 sometimes it's better to leave certain things alone. 3 I just can't stop the distasteful question because 4 you opened the door. 5 Go ahead. Mr. Minton, answer the question. 6 A I don't remember saying that. 7 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 8 Q Now, you said that another tragic event -- 9 Mr. Rinder losing his infant daughter, Mr. Fugate asked you 10 about that, too, on redirect. So I have a question for you. 11 A Uh-huh? 12 Q You said that the -- Mr. Rinder not being allowed 13 to come to comfort his wife at his infant daughter's funeral 14 was based on a lie that Vicki Aznaran, the former president 15 of RTC, said? 16 A That's my understanding of where it started. 17 Q Isn't it true, Mr. Minton, that Stacy Brooks 18 posted, on the Internet, that story? 19 A I -- I don't know whether she did or not. But I 20 know where the story emanated from. 21 Q And how do you know that? 22 A Mmm, well, I believe Stacy has told me that, and I 23 believe Mr. Rinder has told me that. 24 Q Now, when did you first have a discussion -- since 25 you opened the door and waived attorney-client privilege to
1907 1 this -- when did you first have a discussion with Mr. Jonas 2 about the UBS checks? 3 MR. HOWIE: Objection. There was a very 4 specific communication that was discussed by 5 Mr. Minton in his previous testimony concerning 6 conversations with Mr. Jonas about telling the truth 7 concerning the UBS checks. 8 THE COURT: Your objection is overruled. He 9 knew the rules. He elected to discuss those checks 10 and discussions that he had with his lawyer. That 11 whole area is open. Overruled. 12 MR. HOWIE: As to that communication? 13 THE COURT: As to that communication involving 14 whatever it was he discussed, as I recall, had to do 15 with what he told him that he had to do about those 16 checks. So as far as I'm concerned, those checks 17 are fair discussion. 18 BY MR. KENNAN DANDAR: 19 Q When did you first discuss with Mr. Jonas the UBS 20 checks? 21 A Mmm, I believe in New York. 22 Q March of 2002? 23 A Right. 24 Q Before or after you met with Mr. Rinder and 25 Mr. Rosen?
1908 1 A I believe it was after, in his office in New York. 2 Q Did the UBS checks come up in discussion at all in 3 front of Mr. Rosen or Mr. Rinder? 4 A No, they didn't. 5 Q What did you tell Mr. Jonas about the UBS checks 6 after the meetings in New York were over? 7 A At his office that afternoon? 8 Q Yes. 9 A I told him that, you know, that I'd had two checks 10 issued, one check that I never testified about and not 11 revealed. I told him that you had asked me not to reveal 12 that check, that $500,000 check. Mmm, that was basically 13 it. 14 He said, you know, "You've got to go down there 15 and tell about those checks. That's all you can do." 16 Q Did you tell Mr. Jonas that you had told me that 17 those -- that check came from anonymous sources in Europe? 18 A I never told you that so I didn't tell him that, 19 either. 20 Q Did you tell Mr. Jonas the identity of the 21 financial institution that forwarded the money to the UBS 22 bank? 23 A No. 24 Q Did he ask you? 25 A No.
1909 1 Q Did he ask you how you were going to come to 2 Florida and prove that it's your money? 3 A He didn't have any concern about that. He didn't 4 raise that. 5 Q This is my last question. How did you find 6 Attorney George Soter in California, the one that is going 7 to sue Mr. Leipold? 8 A Mr. Howie gave me his name. 9 Q Are you sure you didn't get his name from 10 Mr. Moxon? 11 A I just said Mr. Howie gave me his name. 12 Q Are you aware that Mr. Moxon has some professional 13 connection with Mr. Soter? 14 A I'm not. 15 Q Do you know where Mr. Howie, sitting here in 16 Pinellas County, got the name of a California lawyer? 17 A I think he might have got it from Mr. Fugate. 18 Q Do you know Mr. Soter is the one that represented 19 Mr. Cipriano against Graham Berry? 20 A No. 21 Q So you never had any knowledge that there was a 22 Scientology connection to this attorney who you retained to 23 sue Mr. Leipold? 24 A I asked Mr. Soter if he had ever represented the 25 Church of Scientology in any capacity.
1910 1 Q And he never mentioned, "Oh, by the way, I worked 2 with Mr. Moxon on suing Graham Berry for Mr. Robert 3 Cipriano? 4 A He didn't mention that. He mentioned he knew the 5 lawyer who was involved in this from the Church of 6 Scientology side in this Wollersheim matter. 7 Q Who is that? 8 A I think his name was Chodos, C-H-O-D-O-S, I 9 believe. He's the -- he's the person who sent the fax to 10 Mr. Howie's office. 11 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: That is all, your Honor. 12 MR. FUGATE: Very briefly, your Honor. 13 THE COURT: All right. 14 MR. FUGATE: Your Honor, based on the Courage 15 Productions questions and the UBS check questions, I 16 want to ask Mr. Minton to look at what was marked 17 for identification as Defendant's Exhibit 122. You 18 already have a copy, Mr. Dandar. And I hand it up 19 to the Court. 20 THE COURT: I'm sure I have it. 21 MR. FUGATE: You do, Judge, but you may have 22 thrown it in the trash because it didn't go in. 23 THE COURT: Okay. 24 REDIRECT EXAMINATION 25 BY MR. FUGATE:
1911 1 Q The defendant's exhibit which was marked for 2 identification 122 is a UBS check in the amount of $500,000 3 issued on August 23rd of 2000 to Courage Productions. You 4 have identified that. 5 But is that a check that you caused to be issued 6 and gave to either Ms. Greenway or Mr. Alexander? 7 A Yes. It is. 8 Q And did either one of them -- or have they ever 9 denied that it came from you in any way? 10 A Not to my knowledge. 11 Q And did they understand and did Mr. Dandar 12 understand that you were funding to the tune of $2.4 million 13 the movie The Profit? 14 A That is what the contract called for, yes. 15 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: Object to adding my name 16 onto that question. 17 THE COURT: I agree with that. I just don't 18 think you can add his name on. 19 BY MR. FUGATE: 20 Q Is the funding that Mr. Lirot attempted to avoid, 21 in fact did avoid, if it had gone there, would it have 22 produced the UBS checks, as well as the personal checks that 23 you wrote to Courage? 24 A I presume it would. 25 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: Objection to the form.
1912 1 MR. FUGATE: That is all I have. 2 THE COURT: Overruled. But I didn't understand 3 it, so they can explain it to me. 4 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: I have no other questions. 5 THE COURT: Mr. Fugate, you want this back? 6 MR. FUGATE: Now we can throw it in the trash. 7 THE COURT: We can? 8 MR. FUGATE: Yes. But it's in evidence. 9 THE COURT: Okay. This is not the one in 10 evidence, is it? 11 MR. FUGATE: No, the one that Earlene has. 12 THE COURT: You'll have to explain whatever you 13 said. It went so fast, and he was objecting, so I 14 didn't get it, but that is all right, you can 15 explain it to me at the appropriate time. 16 Anything further, Mr. Dandar? 17 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: No, Judge. 18 THE COURT: Mr. Howie, do you have some 19 questions you want to ask of this witness? 20 MR. HOWIE: Your Honor, we have decided not to 21 present a voir dire. Rather, I want it known to the 22 parties that we intend to compose and file and serve 23 an affidavit on a couple of remaining issues. We 24 just feel that would be a appropriate vehicle for 25 our purposes.
1913 1 THE COURT: Okay. All right. 2 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: Plaintiff requests and I 3 request personally the opportunity then to 4 cross-examine Mr. Minton if there is something in 5 the affidavit that has not been covered. 6 THE COURT: I do hope there is nothing new. 7 But we'll have to wait and see what the affidavit 8 produces. 9 Mr. Minton, if there is something new in your 10 affidavit that has not been discussed here, that may 11 subject to you some additional questions. Do you 12 understand that? 13 THE WITNESS: Yes, your Honor. 14 THE COURT: Thank you, sir. 15 THE WITNESS: Your Honor, could I just say one 16 thing to you? 17 Judge Penick -- seeing Judge Penick reminded me 18 of this. 19 You know, your Honor, I have got to tell you 20 that my own personal experience in the Pinellas 21 County court system has been completely contrary to 22 anything that I'd ever been told before. 23 You know, I was involved in a lengthy hearing 24 with Judge Penick. I went through a criminal trial 25 here. And, you know, I believed at that time and
1914 1 still do that what Judge Penick did in that case was 2 very fair and reasonable. And, you know, anything 3 that I've said before, I don't believe now, because 4 the mind-set that I was involved in at that time 5 made me feel differently than I do today. 6 And my own personal experience has been that I 7 have been treated fairly, sometimes bruskly, but, 8 you know, I just want you to -- I want to be clear 9 that, you know, I'm no longer of any beliefs that 10 were thought about at other times about the 11 integrity of this court system. 12 And I understand, your Honor, you have been the 13 chief judge, and I know you run a tight ship. 14 And I'm -- you know, Judge Penick was the 15 finest human being that I ever came in front of. I 16 mean, he was just a really nice, very deliberate, 17 detailed person. And I thought he was fair to all 18 sides in that. 19 And that is all I wanted to say. 20 THE COURT: Well, thank you. And I hope that 21 if anybody ever asks you, that you'll certainly pass 22 that on to them. 23 THE WITNESS: I will, your Honor. 24 THE COURT: Thank you. 25 THE WITNESS: Thank you.
1915 1 THE COURT: You may step down. 2 (WHEREUPON, the witness is excused.) 3 THE COURT: And you may call your next witness. 4 MR. WEINBERG: That would be Mr. Dandar. 5 THE COURT: All right. 6 MR. WEINBERG: It may just take a minute to get 7 set up. 8 THE COURT: Sure. Do you need -- 9 MR. WEINBERG: Probably five minutes or 10 something. 11 THE COURT: Suits me. 12 MR. WEINBERG: Ten minutes. 13 THE COURT: Ten minutes? 14 MR. KENNAN DANDAR: Make sure Mr. Minton 15 doesn't have any clerk exhibits. 16 THE COURT: Yes, why don't you-all go through 17 those and everybody take a look, make sure there are 18 no originals there. We'll take ten. 19 (WHEREUPON, a recess was taken from 2:03 p.m. to 20 2:15 p.m.) 21 22 23 24 25
1916 1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE 2 3 STATE OF FLORIDA ) 4 COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) 5 I, LYNNE J. IDE, Registered Merit Reporter, certify that I was authorized to and did stenographically 6 report the proceedings herein, and that the transcript is a true and complete record of my stenographic notes. 7 I further certify that I am not a relative, 8 employee, attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any of the parties' 9 attorney or counsel connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in the action. 10 11 DATED this 30th day of May, 2002. 12 13 14 ______________________________ LYNNE J. IDE, RMR 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25