From: ptsc Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: True monetary cost of the Lisa McPherson legal actions, well over 20 mil Organization: The Buttersquash Conspiracy Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 204 Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:29:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.14.68.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1085945395 4.14.68.217 (Sun, 30 May 2004 15:29:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 15:29:55 EDT http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/exhibits/185.html From Defendant's Exhibit 185 in the Minton hearings. These are handwritten notes by Sandy Rosen which lay out a sort of cocktail napkin math estimate of costs to date, used by Rosen during negotiations with Minton. This section deals with Florida. The "to be paid" seems reasonable enough, so I will assume that they actually were paid. --- A Wrongful death paid $14,400,000 to be paid $4.5 mil B Breech case - Baird paid $1,000,000 to be paid $1,000,000 C Penick Case paid $700,000 D (scratched out) ?? we paid $20,000 --- I won't include the Penick case, as that is not directly related to the cult's killing of Lisa McPherson. The total is $20,900,000 for the civil case and related cases, as related by Rosen. However, this doesn't include other cases. For example, Scientology spent a considerable amount of time mucking around in the Middle District of Florida digging up an old case of Ken Dandar to allege misconduct, as well as other discovery disputes related to the case also in the Middle District. If you include Penick, the sum is higher. -- Then we move to Texas. --- A we've paid $555,000 B we are owned $308,000 we are ???? C we will pay $150,000 --- Adding the numbers paid and to be paid, we have another $705,000. Our total is now $21,605,000. Additionally, there was an entire whole trial in probate court over whether Dell Liebreich had (among other things) forged Fannie McPherson's signature on a probate document. Probate Judge George Greer (the same idiot involved in the Terry Schiavo case which coincidentally also involved Judge W. Douglas Baird) then ruled that the cult had no standing to bring that probate case. Then, based on the Texas breach ruling, he was going to have a WHOLE NEW TRIAL on the issue. Yes, ANOTHER ONE, after he ruled that the first one was a total waste of time and completely irrelevant. (Another mooted issue now, and that trial never happened. The idiot Judge Beach was holding up the civil trial partly on the basis that, for no sane reason, he wanted to wait for the probate matter to be cleaned up, something Greer had no interest in doing.) But that aside, the hard numbers are $21,605,000, and that doesn't even include some of the ancillary cases. Possibly Rosen lumped the probate stuff in with the civil case itself, but I think he probably didn't. From: ptsc Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Exhibit 185 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:33:10 -0500 Organization: ARS: Possibly the Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 126 From: hkhenson@cogeco.ca (Keith Henson) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Better copy of 185 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:57:52 GMT Organization: Temple of At'L'An Lines: 107 Message-ID: <3d8196cb.84456054@news2.lightlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.16.34.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.141.40.229 X-Original-Trace: 10 Sep 2002 22:50:16 -0400, 24.141.40.229 There is a much better copy of Exhibit 185 (Rosen's notes) up on http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/exhibits/Exhibit185-1.gif The notes were from the March 8, 2002 meeting in Rosen's office and contain information that is somewhat repeated in the typed Yingling notes of the same day. I think it is worth transcribing them--if we can figure out what he wrote. I can give it a start, if anyone wants to correct and add to it, please do. I Florida A Wrongful death paid $14,400,000 to be paid $4.5 mil B Breech case - Baird paid $1,000,000 to be paid $1,000,000 C Penick Case paid $700,000 D (scratched out) ?? we paid $20,000 II Wolly A We've paid $2.5 mill B Well have to pay $3.0 mill C Pos. $8.5million III Armstrong (3 suits, 2 Nevada, i ???) A We've paid $260,000 B Will have to pay $500,000 IV Henson A we've paid $1,065,000 B will have to pay $350,000 V Ward A we've paid $815,000 B will pay $75,000 VI European Cases A we'v paid $80,000 B we will pay $25,000 VII Factnet A we've paid $1,625,000 VIII Lopez A we've paid $1,535,000 IX RTC vs ??? A we've paid $555,000 B we are owned $308,000 we are ???? C we will pay $150,000 X IRS Harassment A we've paid $30,000 B we will pay $50,000 XI interest and trade disputes A we've paid $32,000 B we will pay $150,000 XII Our planed RICO case we've spent $40,000 XIII In addition A cost of security guards special buses, etc Fla $2,995,000 B cost of security to ??? ??? Toronto, Los Angeles, Washington DC, San Francisco $470,000 C cost of defe ??? Maria Pia Gardini in Italy and Fla [can't read the rest] $22,000 You can get a lot of help out of exhibit 191, but the differences are perhaps more important than the places where 191 helps. Suggestions and corrections welcome! An annotated or linked version of this would also help certain people make sense out of these numbers. Keith Henson