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Subject: NOTES FOR MEETING IN SANDY ROSEN'S OFFICE
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:26:24 -0700 (PDT)
NOTES FOR MEETING IN SANDY ROSEN'S OFFICE
Attendies. Sandy Rosen, Mike Rosen, Monique Yingling, Steven Jones, Bob
Minton, and Stacey Brooks
March 28, 2002
Mike Rinder: Introduction
Mike Rinder said he would make a list. re issues.
We are happy to hear their list first
Bob Minton: Wants us to go first
Mike Rinder: Most constructive way starts with broad strokes - both sides
agree need the disengagement - no Christmas cards, never hear name again
If this is what we are trying to accomplish (not like FACTNet) -- complete
disengagement -- we can do it.
Mike Rinder List
1. O/S litigation has to go Florida, France, Germany
Within Florida - all have to go
Breach cases / TX and FL
2. Declarations and Affidavits - Jesse
, Stacy, Vaughn - in
order to not
have them used in future. Mike Binder - question of how to do it more
3/. LMT - website, domain names, etc. Whatever is left of LMT
4. Movie - Mike Rinder doesn't know status or what his rights are
Mike Rinder - easy on how to resolve issues - he is just trying to
Parameters of settlement
No stirring up press, etc.
Terms of settlement
Mike Rinder - thinks BM probably cares more a -- BM may suffer criticism
from those he has been involved with kind regards,
Mike Ringer - believes BM is sincere about wanting to accomplish this
doesn't have a specific way to go about it. Sandy has list of specifics
SJ - best to hear specifics of litigation them they should caucus
Sandy Rosin , - This is list of what BM has caused either by funding or
Wrongful death a) 14.5
Motion being prepared to bring Minion in to case - J Schaeffer comment
provides of copy of motion
Breach case in Fl- - breach at BM's behest - Minton - party to case
J has entered Steven Jones on K claim -- still has tort claims against
Dell, BM & LMT
Over TRO case - $700,000
Over Courage/Movie $20,000
O/ sanctions against M. Jacobson and LM or Stagy
SR - gives s background
Minton provides $ to LW and L.eipold and affidavits
His support caused the alter- ego motion to go forward
b) $3,000, 000
Sandy Rosen - w/o affidavit supplied by Mr. Minton's camp - motion would
dismissed on its face ) ~ $8.5M with interest
Minton funded case in NEV. and supported Armstrong - case dismissed
2nd case in Nev. re defamation - over
3rd case Armstrong - contempt - Marin County - 131 violations at $50,000.00
Mr. Minton to be added to suit in Marin County for inducing breach
Henson - 2nd fugitive
BM not responsible for Henson but BM paid his attorneys. Berry and DC
from that time,
Posting re BM to send to KH in exile - Joke? Stacey says no moneys was
Case before Minton but attorneys now being funded by BM: FG & DL
Case Settled but keeps going on:
b) 75,000 - discovery/now have contempt and sanctions (May 31, 2002 -
trial) because of Minton funding
France - $80,000 - These casts appear dead. SB - dead still or alive?
Germany - $25,000 - still outstanding
Not asking for any "relief" here because case settled
Mr. Minton funded attorneys when insurance ran out
GM gave money to LW and has lien filed in LW case
$750,000? BM says something like that
No attorney would take on contingency basis - so bad
Lipoid took case - funded by Minton
Texas Breach Case
SJ questions - why 2 cases? Why one in Florida and Texas? SR says - work
Minton funding attorneys - Leibrick is defendant but has never paid Dandar
J. of $308,000 - damages fees- $555,000 - fees to get DM out of case -
provision in contract
SR - explains how could be liable for breach although allowed to amend
u) 150,000 - Dandar motion for JNOV on 21 separate grounds
Leibrick says - Minton & Dandar reed to take care of this
SR reaps awards notice re $360,000
Interest and TM disputes
Use- of LM name raised by LMT
Internet domain names
a) $ 32,000
BM no copyright infringement in TM
SR - now preparing RICO case which will encompass all damages above
a) $40,000 - research, etc.
Will be filed when wrongful death case won
Nonlitigation cases - demonstrations etc.
Security in Florida - $2,900,000
Security in other places Toronto, Los Angeles, DC, and San Francisco -
Maria Pia Ghardini
BM asks for total?
SR - purpose - magnitude of what BM involved in
SJ - 2 purposes - magnitude re RICO case and out of packet costs - we
SR - another reason -- will be in Mr. Minton's debt if he can make things
- future expenditures not necessary - Oldster - 4.5 e.g. in wrongful death
SJ - outstanding litigation would have to go? Do we mean BM would have
bring about dismissal of McPherson case.? MR - yes that is what we want
MR - have to get rid of case or can't separate ourselves because BM is
because of funding
2 April - SB bank records
5 April Criminal contempt -- 3. Schaeffer
8-9 April,- deposition and sentencing on criminal contempt if doesn't
SJ what is our position on LW - Does BM have to get rid of that too?
SR - recaps BM involvement - if he caused it, he can make it go away
BM has lien - can collect he has influence
SBA -- You don't know LW
BM re funding of Leipold - never related to Lopez -- Harvey funded - DC
had problems with firm
BM - has given him substantial amounts of money - may have used it to
expenses while LW and Lopez going on.
ONE HOUR BREAK
SJ 1) Be responsive as possible to what we laid out
2) Lay out something they want to add to the mix that BM and SB find
Fair reading that want _______resolution of issues but________in details
Some gap re what BM can control - what can be brought along
BM - SB - JB - in some circumstances GW
SB tries to explain that they can't guarantee until will abide by agreement
No Money or other support, withdrawal of JP and SB affidavits, commit
effort to try to exert influence over- Dandar and Leibrick to resolve
SJ say can't commit to making case go away
SR - hope this is not harbinger of things to come because extremely
disappointed - SB
& JP already arc not W's - Dandar has told Ct would not be W's
MR & MY- let's just hear what they have to say - more _ _ way
SB& BM & JP -- willing to stop all activities in_____Church of Scientology
Exception hava to think through - website
Transfer domain names
Affidavits - commit to no further affidavits in______ litigation - no
willingness to say earlier affidavit improper or erroneous but she may
sign letter- saying does not support use of her affidavit.
No willingness to correct outstanding affidavits
LW - need to skip over this issue for the moment
Haven't decided what could be done or what commitment
BM has money in LW case and looking to get ii back - doesn't know how
could be assignment to us of lien and then we pay $750,000 to him in "some
SR -- asks to clarify
BM - just to back up - not sure, what affidavits are in LW - Stacey's,
Is friend of BM and he feels it is necessary to assist him in ways that
have nothing to do with Church
Struggle with way to do this
Could have and then get: agreement from GW that he would not be in
Scientology business arid would not use BM money against church
SR - dismiss what? Our claims
SR - yes
Movie - do not know status but agree to step back________no money
BM - 50% PA; 50% - BM
Alexander retains copyright
SJ_____suits - not sure what could be done
Stacey adds IRS domain
Recognition of no impropriety
SR - haven't addressed certain of litigation
SJ -- doesn't know whit can be done in some - need specific
SR - breach case - pay us
SJ - what they need
Withdrawal of all claims, investigations etc, re BM's activities
Cause the withdrawal of Claims brought by Nigerian government
Stacey away provision - Church affiliates, PIs (don't need to get into
they think is going on), etc, SB, 8M, JP, GW - accountants, doctors, lawyers
No Surveillance or______gathering
All litigation and claims - go away - discovery, contempt, etc.
We too have compensation elements. If we want disengagement.
BM compensated for his payments in McPherson case - payments to Dandar.
Properties to purchase in CW
LMT building - $300,000
JP - bonuses, etc.
1:45 - AFTER LUNCH
MR - listened, glad some agreed on some things.
Refers to telephone call re listened in 1998 -- We arc not in same,
place as l998.
MR did not: take their position as thinking we would pay them money -
We are not, in position of just expending money but also to point of
Re - wrongful death case -... we will not pay YOU - but I understood
it as offset.
MR - until wrongful death case goes away - we ; an not have
MR knows BM can do it - can discuss later how
BM - dreaming if thinks we will day money.
MR - can't control Nigerian government - wont BS him - can control
flow of information
No problem with complete disentanglement re Investigation, etc., if
out of our hair.
MR - maybe you are spot aware of where this litigation standards.
BM says he is not.
MR - "you are deep pocket" - everyone else is beneficiary of
We want to collect from you because you are inextricably linked to
CT & DL saying Minton has to pay.
MR - not trying to posture or _________- just want to lay it out as I
MR - believes can go away - believes BM wants it to and MR wants it to.
MR wants to advance Church of Scientology - not litigate - not
MR believes that BM does not want hassles in life anymore, also
think BM has
been screwed by people who have taken his money and not done things in
MR - we are not going to pay you money - money will flow the other way.
BM - if we settle cases money will go back to him
DL - not saying having to write iiim a dock
MR - we have a different perspective -- DL. and Dandar are not to get
anything out of this case -- and so I am saying you will not get your
SR - says Dandar is out there trying to protect his own behind.
SR - doesn't think BM has a clue of what is going on even in Florida,
(Maybe bad lawyers).
SR recaps sanctions and fines pending.
Dandar out there - trying to stop discovery because lie knows what
SR believes BM can he very persuasive with Dandar.
SR - you know beaker - what is going on in this case
re Ws -- JP on retainer
SB - just wants to correct record re her status
SR - Clarifies position re Ward and we have J against him
SJ says knows we- have J but nor worth anything
SR Says our position is taut BM is liable for Ward's breach.
SJ asks MR is anything more.
MR wants to be sure that they are not expecting money - that would be
Re 1998 comment - not trying to be a wish guy - just thinks
have a complete picture.
MR - we are now in position to recover some of money expended
SR, BM will not recover anything from estate - we will get our money
BM will not get anything until other money is made.
SJ - appreciates details but not advancing ball _. he hears what
is being said re
our litigation options, etc. - we will have disagreement on what will
SJ - do we have expectation that Florida case will go away - with
Yes -- no money from us,
SJ - no resolution Unless can have Case, go away with no money
MR - Yes.
BM - or we pay to have them go sway.
SJ - just want to know parameters
They Understand case has to go away - but want to be clear that we
money to have case go away.
SB - Are we saying case dismissed or saying re: solved without paying
MR - latter - but same
SB - Issues in case people fool strongly about that aren't money.
She is trying to gauge what she can do.
SB explains re offset? Money against estate? (tries to -- get to)
SJ? What was last settlement offer made. Sandy says none since
criminal proceedings dropped
MR - can't discuss confidential mediation.
SJ -- they have _____ sources of information.
SJ - We've caucused and here is where we are
We wave greater expectations about resolving things there are warranted.
Let's break now and make some phony calls and get some sense of reality
resolve case without money coming from the Church
Will get back re MR - quest on money too?
March 29, 2002
SJ - Have thought about what via discussed yesterday that and I think
thing is to the proceed - small toys
Understand Florida case: is essential and need to make efforts there
Won't happen overnight - some steps taken already
Meeting scheduled for Wednesday with Dandar
To bring Dell into discussions need to agree not to depose her
during discussions or not to depose her at all about discussions with
They are willing to take steps and arcs extraordinary but re do
that we have to dismiss.
1) contempt matters against BM
2) to postpone
Stacey's deposition re bank records
They me willing to take this extraordinary step but we must
give something in
BM - 90 questions in order to make case go sway.
SR - asks to clarify - 90 questions
SJ - says questions -- harassment all information already given
SR - wrong if think that deposition is just to find out BM
involvement in breach.
Deposition is into all financial information
SR -- we are encouraged, positive sups hope to keep momentum going.
They need to know settlement will not be on best efforts specific issues
Dell deposition - earliest scheduled would be April 12 - if we are going
settlement, will have to before then - we will ask questions about any
about BM & SB
BM - can we get something in writing on dell and discussions.
SR - will send letter to Steve confirming - whoever deposes her will send
SR - re contempt etc. - recounts what happened yesterday in Florida
Dandar asked J. Schaeffer to continue contempt until after deposition
rejected this request
SR - we need to have settlement by 5 April to have it go away
SJ says we could tell J that questions have been answered.
SR says that is a lie with respect to bank records deposition - produce
for attorney eyes only, etc.
With respect to _________breach - we will not put off until we have a
We should have a settlement before April 8 - no middle ground necessary,
SR - Let us continue on to try to settle all issues - because we will
gamble that you will have success
SB - you are not willing to put oft deposition - what do we have to talk
SJ - we are tasking them to take extraordinary sups - arid we should give
BM disagrees with what happened before re teleconference with Howie.
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