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like, you know, someone would, you know, in a - -
 
Q.
We’ve spent some time around, and I see her
attending meetings with the likes of Ableson and Rinder
and some of these people. Is there a possibility she may
be staff and you don’t know it? 
 
A.
Who?
Ableson?
Q.
Attorney Ableson, from Los Angeles.
A.
No.
Q.
Brian
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A.
She’s
not staff. She’s definitely public. She
does things like, you know, sponsors Way To Happiness,
works out with Way to Happiness, out in the community.
Does a lot of community-type work. But it’s on a
voluntary-type basis.
 
Q.
Is it unusual to have someone like Lisa, who is
public, given so much attention?
 
A.
Not in her condition, no.
Q.
Is that something she would have questioned or
that is something somebody can say, “We’re going to do
that, whether you like it or not,” or is that totally
voluntary?
 
A.
Well, someone in her condition, when she came
in, if she was, like, in a Type III spin, we would just
automatically do it. I mean, if it wasn’t us, if she was
out on the street, she’d be put in the psychiatric ward

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